mailRe: [sr #3124] Grace graphs production for R1rho analysis with R2_eff as function of Omega_eff


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Posted by Edward d'Auvergne on March 05, 2014 - 14:51:
Hi,

This is not directly calculated as most models don't use omega_eff,
but rather the rotating frame tilt angle theta.  But support for this
would be trivial.  Just create a new module called lib.rotating_frame,
for example as this is independent of dispersion, and add a function
called something like calc_omega_eff().  It would take as arguments
the Lamor frequency of the spin (population averaged for exchange
processes), the spin-lock offset (or hard pulse offset), and the
spin-lock field strength (or pulse strength).  Then just use the basic
formula (see table 10.2 of the relax manual) to calculate the value
per spin, experiment type, and magnetic field.

Alternatively you could modify the
specific_analyses.relax_disp.disp_data.return_offset_data() function
to calculate the value at the same time it calculates theta.

Regards,

Edward

On 5 March 2014 14:25, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlinnet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Edward.

Would it be possible to implement the calculation of the parameter:
w_e ? The Omega_eff (Effective field in the rotating frame) ?
http://www.nmr-relax.com/manual/Dispersion_model_summary.html

As seen in the model DPL94 for 2-site off-resonance fast exchange 
relaxation.
http://wiki.nmr-relax.com/DPL94

This would come in handsome for producing .out files with w_e and for
the wished plotting
feature.

Best
Troels


2014-02-28 10:33 GMT+01:00 Edward d'Auvergne <edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Either option would be reasonable.  I would suggest, for design and
implementation simplicity, to choose the option to modify the current
relax_disp.plot_disp_curves user function.  The 2D graphs, whether the
x-axis is the offset or dispersion point (spin-lock field or nu_CPMG
value) are all dispersion curves so it would also make more sense for
the user.  You could also look at the grace.write user function for
inspiration.  That user function is far more advanced in its options,
and you may have interest in replicating some of that functionality as
well.

Regards,

Edward



On 28 February 2014 09:54, Troels Emtekær Linnet <tlinnet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
Dear Edward.

I think I would let you decide where such a function resides best. :-)
I simply don't have the insight yet to make such decisions.

Best
Troels

2014-02-28 9:46 GMT+01:00 Edward d'Auvergne <edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi,

Note that this could be used for CPMG-type data as well, if a user
decides to change the hard pulse offset and run multiple experiments.
It's very unlikely to ever happen, but if added for R1rho, it could
just as easily be added for all data types.

Regards,

Edward



On 28 February 2014 09:43, Edward d'Auvergne <edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
Hi,

I always wanted to add this, but never found the time.  For an
implementation, what do you propose?  Maybe the
relax_disp.plot_disp_curves user function could modified to allow the
X-axis to be specified.  Or maybe a new user function based on
relax_disp.plot_disp_curves could be created.

Regards,

Edward



On 28 February 2014 09:39, Troels E. Linnet
<NO-REPLY.INVALID-ADDRESS@xxxxxxx> wrote:
URL:
  <http://gna.org/support/?3124>

                 Summary: Grace graphs production for R1rho analysis 
with
R2_eff as function of Omega_eff
                 Project: relax
            Submitted by: tlinnet
            Submitted on: Fri 28 Feb 2014 08:39:58 AM UTC
                Category: None
                Priority: 5 - Normal
                Severity: 2 - Minor
                  Status: In Progress
             Assigned to: tlinnet
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             Open/Closed: Open
         Discussion Lock: Any
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Details:

For an auto analysis of R1rho, relax produces graphs with

R1rho (Relaxation rate in the absence of exchange) [rad/s] as function 
of
Omega_rf (Spin-lock offset, the frequency of the of RF field) [rad/s].

Such graphs can be quite crowded, since for a recorded dataset with for
example a variation of 6 spin-lock offset in ppm, the graphs will 
contain 6
legends.

It is suggested to also provide graphs with R2_eff as function of 
Omega_eff
(Effective field in the rotating frame) [rad/s].

An example of such a graph is figure 2 in
http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/bi4001062.

Both types of figures are attached.



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Date: Fri 28 Feb 2014 08:39:58 AM UTC  Name:
Figure2_Kjaergaard_et_al_2013_Off-resonance_R1rho_relaxation_dispersion_experiments_using_the_DPL_model.png
 Size: 123kB   By: tlinnet

<http://gna.org/support/download.php?file_id=20208>

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