Hi, The answer to your question is a matter of opinion. Model selection is a large statistical field and there may be even better techniques for model-free analysis. For instance the information complexity (ICOMP) techniques may perform even better, although I never had a chance to test these. The important question is, how do you measure the performance of these techniques? In my paper on model-free model selection, I found that AIC and BIC perform equally well when data at 2 field strengths is used (specifically tested on 500 and 600 MHz data). When single field strength data was used, AIC performed slightly better than BIC (note the word slightly!). The way I measured performance was to compare the results of model selection to the theoretical 'expected discrepancy' EDelta. This theoretical value, which can never be measured, is what all the frequentist model selection techniques try to estimate (AIC, BIC, cross validation, bootstrap, AICc, ICOMP, etc). Because I used synthetic data I knew what the true model-free dynamics behind the relaxation data was and hence I could directly calculate EDelta and use it for model selection. This then gives the gold standard for frequentist model selection comparison (but not Baysian model selection (that does not include BIC which is a frequentist technique) or hypothesis testing model selection). In the Wright paper (Chen et al., 2004) AIC was compared to BIC which was compared to hypothesis testing model selection. It should be noted that the hypothesis testing model selection utilised was not that of Mandel et al. (1995). The details are in the first column on page 247 of the paper. The alpha critical levels chosen are in the second column of page 250. The technique has been significantly modified to prevent under-fitting and hence probably, yet unintentionally, forced to closely replicate the results of AIC model selection. Hypothesis testing model selection is very subjective in that by careful construction of the sequence in which tests are carried out, careful selection of the alpha critical levels, and where chi-squared verses F-tests are used - many different results can be had. For example by using a step up procedure - starting the tests at the simplest model and ending at the most complex - the final results will deliberately under-fit. If you use a step down procedure - starting at the most complex model and finishing at the simplest - the results will deliberately be over-fit. By careful construction of the hypothesis testing selection procedure I could closely replicate the results of many of the frequentist model selection techniques. This could be one of the reasons why many people say that you can tweak statistics to pull out any result you want. In the Chen et al. (2004) paper a 10 ns MD simulation was assumed to be the true, and hence known, dynamics of the system and this data was used for validation. BIC was reasoned to be better than AIC and hypothesis testing. This conclusion is mainly from Figure 6 and Table 1. In this case, the modified hypothesis testing was used as the standard by which the techniques are compared! It should be noted form Figure 6a that the differences aren't huge. The fact that the hypothesis testing model selection is closely replicating the results of AIC is quite likely due to the implementation details of that model selection scheme. It would be interesting to see how the original technique of Mandel et al. (1995) compares in this study as this is the technique which everyone is using. Now, later work where I found that model-free models had failed (requiring model elimination) and where optimisation had failed preventing the true dynamics to be found will both influence model selection. My original work and that of Chen et al. (2004) are both biased by these issues and hence the subtle differences in the conclusions could completely be due to these problems rather than anything to do with the subtle performance differences of the techniques within model-free analysis! So, using AIC or BIC is a matter of opinion and is completely your choice (relax will do both). Sorry for making this more complicated than you were probably expecting. Regards, Edward On 5/22/07, Hongyan Li <hylichem@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear relax-users, I wonder if BIC mode should be chosen for model selection for relaxation data obtained in a single field, while AIC for those data obtained at two field strengths when using RELAX program. Just read Wright PE paper on Journal of Biomolecular NMR 29: 243–257, 2004. Cheers, Hongyan Dr. Hongyan Li Department of Chemistry The University of Hong Kong Pokfulam Road Hong Kong _______________________________________________ relax (http://nmr-relax.com) This is the relax-users mailing list relax-users@xxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, visit the list information page at https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/relax-users