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Posted by Edward d'Auvergne on July 09, 2007 - 12:56:
Oh, I've committed your patch at
http://maple.rsvs.ulaval.ca/mediawiki/index.php/Patch_consistency_tests_2007-06-26
as revision r3324, applying it to the 1.2 branch.  I've carefully
checked the code and none of the changes are detrimental or could
affect the stability of the stable 1.2 relax codebase.  Note however
that the code in the branch will not run as the consistency_test.py
files are still identical copies of the jw_mapping.py files.

Cheers,

Edward


On 7/9/07, Edward d'Auvergne <edward.dauvergne@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,

I've now created two branches within the relax repository for you to
play with.  The first is a copy of the 1.2 line and is located at
svn.gna.org/svn/relax/branches/consistency_tests_1.2/.  The second is
a copy of the 1.3 line and is located at
svn.gna.org/svn/relax/branches/consistency_tests_1.3/.  I've initially
used 'svn cp' to create the 5 consistency_tests.py files as described
in https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-devel/2007-07/msg00001.html
(Message-id: <7f080ed10707090251ve1c4a8fl7f8618843e5c9459@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>).
 Would you be able to create patches for these files (in the 1.2 line
first, no need to worry about the 1.3 line yet), and then post the
individual patches as text file attachments to the mailing list?
Thanks.  I will then be able to commit these patches individually,
checking them in fine detail.

Things to note in creating the patches from the code at
http://maple.rsvs.ulaval.ca/mediawiki/index.php/Relax_development
include the copyright preservation, a number of integers in
'maths_fns/consistency_tests.py' which should be floating point
numbers (just add '.0' to the end of the number), the addition of
Grace plots as an output in the 'sample_scripts/consistency_tests.py'
script to be able to create a picture similar to that on your relax
development site, maybe only allowing 'Tc' and 'tc' in the
return_data_name() function and not 'TC', and 'degrees' instead of
'degree' in the return_units() function.

One bug includes:

             setattr(self.relax.data.res[self.run][index], 'csa',
float(value[0]))
             setattr(self.relax.data.res[self.run][index], 'r', 
float(value[1]))
+            setattr(self.relax.data.res[self.run][index],
'orientation', float(value[1]))
+            setattr(self.relax.data.res[self.run][index], 'tc',
float(value[1]))

value[1] has been used twice.  I have a feeling there is another bug
somewhere where an index has been repeated a few times when it should
be different indices, but I can't find it at the moment.  The
individual patches should help.  Finally, I have a feeling that there
is unused code which can be deleted as it is a relic from the copy of
the J(w) mapping code and is not needed.  For the 1.3 line code I
would recommend that identical functions are shifted into files such
as 'specific_fns/base_class.py', but for the 1.2 line code I would
prefer the duplication as this means that the current stable code base
remains stable.

Cheers,

Edward



On 6/26/07, Sebastien Morin <sebastien.morin.1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I started working on implementing the consistency tests last week before
> the last post was made and, hence, I worked on repository line 1.2
> (revision 3303).
>
> I implemented the consistency tests as a new type of run ('ct') similar
> to the one for Jw mapping.
>
> The calculations are made for J(0), F_eta and F_R2 separately for each
> magnetic field (one at a time). The output results file is similar to
> the one for Jw mapping. The user then needs to plot them and look for
> consistency with its own criteria (calculation correlation
> coefficients,  mean ratios and standard deviations, etc).
>
> Please look at the followinr URL for a listing of the modifications to
> old files and also necessary new files.
>
> http://maple.rsvs.ulaval.ca/mediawiki/index.php/Relax_development
>
> The file 'sample_scripts/consistency_tests.py' should be useful to
> understand how the new procedure works.
>
> Even if this was done on repository line 1.2, I think it is quite fine
> since nothing was deleted but only things added (maybe too much, as I
> reproduced the Jw mapping approach, maybe too much as I added lines in
> the codes for grace, molmol, etc, maybe too much also since some code is
> duplicated from the Jw mapping code). The test-suite still works
> perfectly and, so, I think it could be fine to add the tests to the 1.2
> line as well... However, if necessary, I could implement the consistency
> testing procedure on line 1.3, following your comments as I am quite new
> to Python and maybe made things somehow not perfectly...
>
> Please tell me what you think about this.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Sébastien  :)
>
>
>
> Edward d'Auvergne wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have previously talked about data set consistency.  For example see
> > the post at https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2007-06/msg00001.html
> > in which a few reasons for inconsistencies have been explained.  I
> > have, from experience, noticed that small changes in protein
> > concentration can change the collected relaxation rates significantly
> > - most likely because of packing interactions.  All samples should
> > essentially be identical in all respects for the relaxation rates to
> > be compared.  And the temperate should always be fine tuned between
> > experiments and spectrometers using methanol (and always checked later
> > on if there is a large time between collecting the same experiment).
> >
> > Therefore these tests would be quite useful.  Data consistency is
> > essential for the model-free results to be correct (as well as reduced
> > spectral density mapping, SRLS, etc.) as this affects both the
> > optimisation and model selection and can result in artificial motions
> > appearing.  However I don't know how these test would currently fit
> > within relax.  Maybe a new type of analysis should be created for this
> > (see the pipe.create() user function in the 1.3 line or the
> > run.create() user function in the 1.2 line).  These ideas should all
> > go into the 1.3 line (via a branch) as the 1.2 line is stable and no
> > new major features will be added to this code.  What are the ideas you
> > have been playing with?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Edward
> >
> >
> > On 6/15/07, Sebastien Morin <sebastien.morin.1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Hi everyone
> >>
> >> During the last months, I was astonished to realize that some spin
> >> relaxation data I had acquired at different fields were not consistent
> >> between each other. The way I realized that was by seeing discrepancy
> >> between J(0) values calculated with those different datasets.
> >>
> >> I looked a little bit in the litterature and found some interesting
> >> consistency tests in a paper by Fushman (Fushman et al., JACS, 1998,
> >> 120:10947-10952).
> >>
> >> This paper present 2 consistency tests to compare datasets from
> >> different magnetic fields / samples / time / etc.
> >>
> >> I think it would be interesting to implement those simple tests in relax
> >> so the user can, before trying to fit their data, know the quality of
> >> those... Regrettably, very few people look at the consistency of their
> >> datasets before analysis...
> >>
> >> The underlying principle is the same as when looking at consistency for
> >> J(0). Thus, I think that those two tests and a J(0) test should be
> >> implemented altogether...
> >>
> >> I'll try to work a bit on this. Mimicking the code for spectral density
> >> should be a good starting point.
> >>
> >> Am I right ?
> >> Do you see any value in those tests ?
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >> Sébastien  :)
> >>
> >>
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>    || Sebastien Morin                               ||
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